On 6/6/2023 at 12:51 AM, RobertaME said:

I can't say I'm a fan of liquid cooled CPUs. It's Single Point Of Failure of the worst kind; if something goes wrong with any part of the cooling system, (clogged/pinched lines, pump failure, coolant leak, etc.) you'll fry one of the most expensive parts faster than you could shut it down and effectively kill the entire system.

I think you were talking about a custom liquid cooled rig. I do also use an AIO cooler as well

On 9/25/2023 at 3:44 PM, Anon-P said:

I think you were talking about a custom liquid cooled rig. I do also use an AIO cooler as well

I wouldn't trust myself with a custom loop! An AIO is yet to fail me and they're so easy to fit.

Model: Dell Inspiron 5680

OS: Windows 10

CPU: Intel i7-9700

GPU: Nvidia  GeForce RTX 2060

RAM: 64GB (Corsair Vengeance LPX)

Storage: Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB (Boot), Samsung SSD 980 PRO 2TB (Flight Sim), Toshiba 10TB HDD (Media Storage), Toshiba 1TB HDD (Extra Storage)

Cooling: Noctua NH-U9S chromax.Black, 92mm (CPU), Noctua NH-U9S chromax.Black, 92mm (Front and Rear, pushes in from front and pulls out back.)

Monitors: AOC 2590G4 (Primary, Display Port with G-Sync), LG IPS226 (Secondary, HDMI)

Peripherals: Razer Cynosa Chroma (Corded Keyboard), Razer DeathAdder Elite (Corded Mouse), Saitek Pro Flight Yoke, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, Saitek Pro Flight Switch Panel, Steelseries Gamepad, Corsair Void Elite Headset Corded, HyperX Mouse Pad (It's Big)

 

Laptop (Have slightly older model with Windows 10): https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Display-10-Core-i7-12650H-GeForce/dp/B0CJ9Z38LV/ref=sr_1_12_sspa?crid=2X66R6OHHCYDW&keywords=msi%2Bgaming%2Blaptop%2Brtx%2B4050&qid=1696714995&sprefix=msi%2Bgaming%2Blaptop%2Brtx%2B4050%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-12-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.765d4786-5719-48b9-b588-eab9385652d5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&th=1

On 6/1/2023 at 1:03 AM, RobertaME said:

I used to have a SSD boot drive, but I suffered too many drive failures with SSDs and the data loss recovery was a PITA, so I went with something that has a better MTBF for a marginal speed loss.

I have an SSD boot drive and still going strong in the past few years so, it might be your SSD that was problematic

25 minutes ago, ALT2870 said:

Model: Dell Inspiron 5680

OS: Windows 10

CPU: Intel i7-9700

GPU: Nvidia  GeForce RTX 2060

RAM: 64GB (Corsair Vengeance LPX)

Storage: Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB (Boot), Samsung SSD 980 PRO 2TB (Flight Sim), Toshiba 10TB HDD (Media Storage), Toshiba 1TB HDD (Extra Storage)

Cooling: Noctua NH-U9S chromax.Black, 92mm (CPU), Noctua NH-U9S chromax.Black, 92mm (Front and Rear, pushes in from front and pulls out back.)

Monitors: AOC 2590G4 (Primary, Display Port with G-Sync), LG IPS226 (Secondary, HDMI)

Peripherals: Razer Cynosa Chroma (Corded Keyboard), Razer DeathAdder Elite (Corded Mouse), Saitek Pro Flight Yoke, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, Saitek Pro Flight Switch Panel, Steelseries Gamepad, Corsair Void Elite Headset Corded, HyperX Mouse Pad (It's Big)

 

Laptop (Have slightly older model with Windows 10): https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Display-10-Core-i7-12650H-GeForce/dp/B0CJ9Z38LV/ref=sr_1_12_sspa?crid=2X66R6OHHCYDW&keywords=msi%2Bgaming%2Blaptop%2Brtx%2B4050&qid=1696714995&sprefix=msi%2Bgaming%2Blaptop%2Brtx%2B4050%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-12-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.765d4786-5719-48b9-b588-eab9385652d5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&th=1

You should invest in an AIO water cooling, even though you have a 9th gen i7

I've done enough research and studying to figure out it isn't worth it for at least my case. (There's been a lot of stuff out there lately that AIO really isn't that great as it was made out to be.) That's why I ended up with the Noctua tower/fan on top. Based on what I'm seeing in Afterburner, it's spot on and I see good temps with performance.

1 hour ago, Anon-P said:

I have an SSD boot drive and still going strong in the past few years so, it might be your SSD that was problematic

I learned electronics from my father when I was 8 years old. He taught me computers in my teens and for a time during college, I was in the PC repair field. One lesson from all that stands out:

EVERY part eventually fails.

It's not a matter of if, but when. I bought the most reliable SSD available and it still failed after only a couple years. I like hardware that's reliable because I've lost too much data due to failures in the past. Hardware is replaceable with money... data is much harder to replace because it requires time. I lost months of data when my SSD failed and it was not retrievable due to the nature of SSDs. Platter HDs that fail can have their data salvaged, and if you set it up right (such as I have with a RAID 1 arrangement) a HD failure is just a matter of inconvenience... simply pull the dead drive, replace with a new HD, let them sync up, and you're right back to where you started with no data loss. (admittedly, with a 16TB RAID, syncing takes a while, but it does get there eventually)

It's why I dislike liquid-cooled thermal solutions... too many single points of failure. Lines clogged or pinched? Dead CPU. Pump dies? Dead CPU. Fans die or are jammed? Dead CPU. Line leak? Dead CPU... and likely dead everything else. Additionally, my system is our primary entertainment center and data server of our home network... and it sits in our living room under our TV for watching movies and shows on. Silent operation is a must-have. Thus why I have a fanless GPU thermal solution with an oversized heat sink and large diameter case fans that are whisper quiet. (the larger the fan, the more air it can move at a lower RPM, and it's RPMs that make audible noise)

Each to their own, but my system demands are specific which requires specific solutions. For your uses, maybe an SSD is good enough... but for me, reliability is much more important than speed. :^)

Edited October 8, 20231 yr by RobertaME

15 hours ago, RobertaME said:

It's why I dislike liquid-cooled thermal solutions... too many single points of failure. Lines clogged or pinched? Dead CPU. Pump dies? Dead CPU. Fans die or are jammed? Dead CPU. Line leak? Dead CPU... and likely dead everything else.

You're talking about custom loop still, not the AIO ones.

16 hours ago, ALT2870 said:

I've done enough research and studying to figure out it isn't worth it for at least my case. (There's been a lot of stuff out there lately that AIO really isn't that great as it was made out to be.) That's why I ended up with the Noctua tower/fan on top. Based on what I'm seeing in Afterburner, it's spot on and I see good temps with performance.

My CPU peaked at like 50 degrees Celcius with an AIO tho

1 hour ago, Anon-P said:

You're talking about custom loop still, not the AIO ones.

My CPU peaked at like 50 degrees Celcius with an AIO tho

She’s not saying you’re wrong, just that it’s not her preference and her experience tells her why. 

4 hours ago, Kablary said:

She’s not saying you’re wrong, just that it’s not her preference and her experience tells her why. 

You got the point, bro

5 hours ago, Kablary said:

She’s not saying you’re wrong, just that it’s not her preference and her experience tells her why. 

Thanks.

@Anon-P, even an All In One liquid cooling solution will eventually fail. It's inevitable. Hoses break or leak... pumps fail... radiators get clogged... etc. Entropy wins every time! :^Þ

In MY use-case, downtime and data loss are far more important factors than cutting-edge speed.

Case in point, just a few weeks ago, one of my oversized CPU fans failed. No big deal... CPU temp went up to a whopping 65°C at idle and I knew something was wrong right away, but I didn't have to shut my system down until I got a replacement... just not run anything CPU stressful for a few days. We could still watch shows and movies and the file server remained up while the new fans were shipped. I got replacements for both CPU fans and both my main case fans for $70 since I figured if one fan failed it's likely all of them were on short time since they were installed at the same time. System was down for all of 2 hours one day while everyone else was away from home while I swapped them out and re-cleaned the interior. (I clean it every start of Spring and Fall so it'd recently been cleaned, but re-did it anyway since I could) Now CPU temps are down in the high 40s at idle again (high 60s under stress) and there was no notable downtime for anyone in the house.

It's a matter of priorities. In my use case, reliability and up-time are more critical since everyone in my family depends on the file server being up for shared access and at night during family time we all depend on it to watch our shows and movies. That it can also run RCT3 and KSP with tons of mods is nice, but running the latest games at 120 fps isn't our use case. Also, you can't get 16 tb SSDs for massive video data storage of our library of 1,300 movies and over 10,000 TV show episodes that we ripped from our DVD/BRs... SSD that big just aren't practical and their reliability is too low for our use case. Your use case may be different so you have different priorities... and that's okay too!

Hope that helps you see my point. :^)

Edit: Saw you reply to @Kablary while I was writing a reply. :^)

Edited October 8, 20231 yr by RobertaME

2 hours ago, RobertaME said:

It's a matter of priorities. In my use case, reliability and up-time are more critical since everyone in my family depends on the file server being up for shared access and at night during family time we all depend on it to watch our shows and movies. That it can also run RCT3 and KSP with tons of mods is nice, but running the latest games at 120 fps isn't our use case. Also, you can't get 16 tb SSDs for massive video data storage of our library of 1,300 movies and over 10,000 TV show episodes that we ripped from our DVD/BRs... SSD that big just aren't practical and their reliability is too low for our use case. Your use case may be different so you have different priorities... and that's okay too!

I get it, I mostly play games and stuff so, my current build is perfect for those. I might upgrade some stuff in the future tho. Maybe bigger storage first, then a better GPU. then there's the rest.